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- Re: Medicaid work requirements, robert
- Nicholas could be in trouble. I'm sure we'll get to discuss this with Flora.
- Re: ✈️ AI in the sky (fwd), robert
- Not surprising. It's doubtful that you (or we) will be able to escape this demand- and ability-pricing for plane flights.
- Re: covid vaccination, robert
- I wonder if there will be health tourism for getting vaccines since they may end up being easier to get in other countries. It's pretty remarkable how Trump has made us all realize how good we had it and now everything's degrading really fast. Make America...
- Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (fwd), robert
- Although this investigation is enlightening, I think Richard Wolff hit the nail on the head that these sorts of statistics are really only for employers and investors and don't really help the regular old worker -- who already know if they or their friend...
- Re: the atomic bowl on PBS, robert
- You added this, right?
- Re: Notification: Sorry, Baby at 3Below Theaters @ Wed Aug 6, 2025 7:45pm - 9:45pm (PDT) (Noelle) (fwd), robert
- Ma. Didn't recognize it.
- school is back in session, Robert
- I saw that school is back already. Seems like summer break is quite short these days.
- flu jabs, Robert
- Should we get our shots before we travel?
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- Re: flu jabs, Robert
- What dates would be good for you?
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- Re: flu jabs, Robert
- What about 9/20 or 9/27?
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- Re: flu jabs, Robert
- Are you going to Brew Day that day? When will you be going?
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- Re: flu jabs, Robert
- OK. I'll just set it up in the afternoon. Glad we won't have afternoon meetings for a while.
Re: August 6, 2025 (fwd), robert
- Yeah. Even though she references the Nazi Party below, I still wish she would use the term "autocracy" instead of "fascism". I was looking at polling and its popularity is completely split: Trump supporters overwhelming support the immigration policies an...
Re: Looting Your 401(k) (fwd), robert
- Sounds like an interesting podcast episode. I'll have to check that we're still subscribed to The Lever.
Re: August 7, 2025 (fwd), robert
- It's weird that this is the only place where the price of taking a census is discussed. Also, a mid-decade census, even if it were taken, would not be able to be used for redistricting, according to the Constitution. I think even this supreme court would ...
Re: A shipment from order SHOP456509 is out for delivery (fwd), robert
- I guess one of us has to stay home. I'll stay while you and your homies eat lunch, and you'll have to stay while I get my haircut at 2:15pm.
Re: WNBA incidents and Gen Z's not understanding satire, robert
- It seems more like they (and we) are starved for class war, but never get it.
Re: There's A New Comedy Sheriff In Town (fwd), robert
- Well, I guess Kamau likes Maron. I suppose we should see it, but, again, I really wish that the discussion went beyond identity politics, such as Jew, black, transexual, gay, undocumented residents, etc. and veered into class politics. Perhaps this is the ...
Re: Do As We Say, Not As We Gerrymander (fwd), robert
- This is the same question in Andor: do you use the enemy's same tactics against the enemy, or do you step back and take an alternative nonviolent approach? It's true: these are good points, and are very compelling.
Re: Meta's Community Notes, robert
- This sounds like what Wikipedia does. Seems like a good idea. Wikipedia really is a great example and, despite the CEO being a Republican, truly reflects the global community's views on most things. Cory Doctorow should really have Geoffery Fowler on his ...
Re: Trials trivia, robert
- No, I hadn't. Think she'll show up? She seemed like a nice person.
Re: Can you make "The Commons:A Monthly Gathering for the Cohousing Curious (Virtual, National)"?, Robert
- meetup.com We can attend this tomorrow morning.
Re: August 9, 2025 (fwd), robert
- Wow, this is the shortest post I've ever seen from Heather Cox-Richardson.
Re: Annie, robert
- 👍
Re: Tangled Up in Laughter in Under the Vines (fwd), robert
- I was sad that DI Donckers was nixxed from the series.
Re: Running low on your favorite Equal Exchange goods? (fwd), robert
- 👍
Re: Registration Confirmed - Drive-Through Shred Event, Robert
- A reminder that this is on Sat morning.
Trans, Nonbinary, and Gender-Expansive Pregnancy (fwd), Noelle
- wow certain people will be triggered by this
FW: Free Financial Wellness Webinars, Robert
- I was thinking of attending tomorrow morning's preso. Interested in attending with me? Hello SonicWall family! We're excited to share a valuable resource available to you through Fidelity to help support your financial well-being. Fidelity offers financial...
Re: Noelle, thanks for registering for Insights Live: Preparing for health care in retirement. (fwd), robert
- Your derm appointment is Thursday morning?
Re: Community Town Hall on Patient Data and Immigrant Protections (fwd), robert
- ?Qu? hora es esta?
Re: Take Action to Stop Encampment Sweep (fwd), robert
- Are you going to the 1pm rally?
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Re: Take Action to Stop Encampment Sweep (fwd), robert
- Matt won't do anything. We'll see what Anthony says.
August 17 Bday Dinner in Palo Alto, http://www.aol.com/~sakishler
- Details from Elaine: Hi y’all,You're invited to a mid-August birthday dinner for our friends who have summerbirthdays. A request was made for a vegan Japanese restaurant in Palo Alto. It’s a tinyrestaurant with limited seating so reservations must be mad...
Re: DFSS1891844 backorder update (fwd), robert
- Possibly.
USPS Expected Delivery by Monday, August 18, 2025 arriving by 9:00pm 944905089956 2001128477 (fwd), Noelle
- I think this is Upton Teas.
Re: Perplexity AI bid for Chrome, robert
- Not sure what's meant by "stealth modifications". Chrome already sends a lot of data to Google and god-knows-where, so it's already tainted from the start.
Reminder - 11:15 AM Time Slot, AARP Ca
- Dear Robert: Don't forget -- 11:15 AM Time Slot is in 2 days and you won't want to miss it. Information on how to join the event is below. Event: Drive-Through Shred Event Time: 11:15 AM Pacific Time Confirmation Number: FXN4KM25J25 If your plans have chan...
Re: capping the gas, robert
- Do you need to have the plumber cap the gas pipe going to the stove before the electric stove is installed? If so, we'll probably experience a period without a stove. Should be interesting.
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- Re: capping the gas, robert
- Yep, got it. Seems like a straightforward operation once we need it. Let's hope we can time it so that we are without a stove for the least amount of time.
Re: Noelle, thank you for attending Insights Live: Preparing for health care in retirement on Thursday, August 14. (fwd), robert
- We'll see if Zoom is better. (I couldn't get the link yet. Probably will get it on the day-of.)
Re: Upton Tea Imports Ship Confirmation, Robert
- Got it.
Re: Reminder Vegan dinner Aug 17 2025.docx, Robert B
- Neither Noelle nor I will be going on Sunday. I had already told Sarah.
Reminder - Drive-Through Shred Event, AARP Ca
- Dear Robert: Don't forget AARP's Drive-Through Shred Event is tomorrow and you won't want to miss it. Information on how the event is below. Event: Drive-Through Shred Event Date: Saturday, August 16, 2025 Time: 9:00 AM-12:00 PM Pacific Time (please plan t...
Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- The one on Wednesday? Which one is the Q&A?
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- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- Oh, you mean the one that happened Thursday? It was only a Q&A? FWIW, you can ask questions at the Wednesday "workshop".
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- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- I attached the PDF of the workshops I got. Are you able to click on any of the links? Attachment: pdf7q9QVab8k2.pdf Description: Q32025UWWCalendar..pdf
- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- The link I used was fidelity.com
- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- Oh, and this links to sabacloud.com
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- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- Yeah, it must be a benefit that the company pays for. Rather annoying.
- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- Here's the Zoom link, FWIW. We may end up watching it on my laptop, 'tho. We can decide later. zoom.us
- Re: Ask Fidelity Anything: Preparing for health care in retirement (fwd), robert
- Below is the copy of the chat session. We should probably send the recording to Flora. -- 09:04:30 From Robert To All panelists: where-I-live 09:06:16 From Ken Patterson To Everyone: Prepare for the Reality of Health Care in Retirement: fidelity.com 09:06:...
USPS - box Payment Received, Thank You, http : //www . usps . com/~donotreply
- -- Hello Robert, Thank you for your automatic payment to the USPS ® in the amount of $226.00. This payment has been applied to your box renewal and your credit card has been charged. This fee renews your box for the next 12 months. -- Transaction numbe...
Re: Order DFSS1891844 confirmed (fwd), robert
- Do you know how it's going to be shipped?
Re: Private Equity Managers Are Primed to Pounce on Your 401(k) (fwd), robert
- Yeah, 401k, 401k, 401k. All problems.
Re: AI Job Loss Hype Could Serve as Smokescreen for Trump Recession (fwd), robert
- It's funny. I was thinking the same thing yesterday, especially about all the unemployed STEM graduates. I wonder, if there fewer people enrolling in STEM fields due to the perception that AI has "eaten" their job, will existing tech people become more val...
Re: Antoni, robert
- This all gets so meta. In some ways, perhaps we should thank Trump for making us think about these things. By "meta" I mean that if this person is installed in the BLS and then Trump gets to nominate the Fed Chair, you could imagine the Trump-nominated BLS...
Re: behind the news 8/14, robert
- It will appear in the podcast feed. I'll check on it later.
Re: Monopoly Aint Punk Rock (fwd), robert
- I guess even the arts aren't safe these days.
Re: The 7: How Democrats are generating 2028 b uzz; anti-sunscreen movement; fighting AI slop; and more (fwd), robert
- Yum. Is the problem with chemical-based sunscreens that they can leak into the environment?
Re: Cuban artists' show in Napa, robert
- Cal Route 12. Well, look at my calendar and come up with a plan.
Re: Sacramento music archive, robert
- Don't know. I saw a link to a Screeching Weasel show at Gilman. I don't know if this the one I attended or not; I suspect not because it was 1993 and I think I saw them earlier than that. Also, all the band members took off all their clothes and performed...
Re: Better World - Renewal questions, Robert
- I think I did not review the renewal invoice and, apparently, posted the wrong amount for membership renewal. I will pay the difference ($70.95) to continue the premium auto and bike coverage membership. Thanks for the heads-up.
Toronto Oasis Meetup on Satire, Robert
- meetup.com
Re: Fwd: Ford Fairlane, Robert
- 😮
Re: See you at: [Online] The Importance of Satire (fwd), robert
- It's hard to get your say when there are so many people queued up. I think they should spend most of the two hours on discussion. Oh, well.
FW: New messages from Shalu on Meetup, Robert
- Title: New messages from Shalu Shalu Same here Robert :)! We never met in-person, just on those Zoom Meetups that Priya held during the pandemic. I have been in touch with Priya and in fact I had Priya as well) over for brunch last month. And yes, Priya is...
FW: Your vaccination record, Robert
- Title: Confirmation Email Please keep this information for your reference. A new vaccination record is available Hi Noelle, There's a new vaccination record available. Get vaccination record › Add vaccinations from another provider Received a vaccination s...
Thanks for your order. (fwd), Noelle
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Re: Enjoy your recent shopping perk. (fwd), robert
- Butcher Box? Yeah, sounds very vegan-unfriendly.
💬 New message from Josh Kornbluth (fwd ), Noelle
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Re: In China With Green Day!?! (fwd), robert
- So weird.
driving in the bike lane, Robert
- I was shocked at all the cars driving in the bike lane while driving home from the train station. I thought it was illegal, but according to cronisraelsandstark.com "Motorists can be on a bike lane when entering or leaving the roadway, preparing to make a ...
Your appointment time has been updated. (fwd), Noelle
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Aaron's Plumbing gas line capping work order / contract, Robert
- Aaron's Plumbing @ 408-724-2650 / 408-375-7373
- natural gas water heater and furnace, Robert
- Apparently, for the water heater, you need to hold down the red buttons for 30 seconds, not just 10 seconds, to light the pilot light. And, the gas furnace does indeed have a pilot light. He lit it by lighting one of the long matches by first lighting one ...
Confirmed: Your payment to Smartyards is complete (fwd), Noelle
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Re: Submission from Contact Us: unable to renew my membership with my newly-added credit card (fwd), robert
- I doubt that this will help, but we can double-check.
Re: where-I-live peace and justice calendar, Robert
- It's fine. I blocked it out of my mind, anyway.
Re: 🛹 The great skateboard sellout (fwd), robert
- Bubblicious.
Re: BART contactless card payments, robert
- No. It doesn't address contactless payments on buses and trolleys / light rail / trains.
Re: The absurd reason your medical bills are about to explode (fwd), robert
- Actually, it was I who was telling you after hearing the story on radio about ACA / Obamacare premiums going up wildly next year; I predicted that all health care costs will rise. I find it amazing that so many people continue supporting Trump and the Rep...
Re: Franti, robert
- Think KPFA now regrets broadcasting his show on the radio?
SMS From 18336574400 To 1my-Oakland-voicemail-number, 18336574400
- Japantown Optometry:Robert, Reply Y to confirm your exam on 8/30 @ 3PM or N to cancel. To change click . STOP ToOptOut
Re: My AI startup’s Final Call to Invest in AsyncHe alth, Robert
- Got your message. You managed to get around my spam filter :-). Thanks.
latest podcasts, Robert
- Title: AntennaPod Subscriptions AntennaPod Subscriptions "Be Bold America!" Website â?¢ Feed ABC With Danny and Jim Website â?¢ Feed Acid Horizon Website â?¢ Feed All Things Co-op Website â?¢ Feed Behind the Bastards Website â?¢ Feed Beyond Pronatalism | F...
Re: luke just messaged you (fwd), robert
- No idea.
Re: From Gail re: I'm working on Cremation task for Don and I (fwd), robert
- Sounds prudent.
Re: baby you're a rich man, robert
- I think J.G. in Farmington, CT hit the nail on the head with the "Economic" explanation. Basically, this is the prisoner's dilemma writ large where short-term hording trumps any sort of mass enrichment.
Re: Labor Day Weekend Actions📣 (fwd), robert
- You'll be back by Labor Day. We could do that.
Re: Ukraine's soldiers, robert
- Well, isn't 60 the new 40? Besides, what physical abilities do you need to fly drones from a bunker?
F-Scale authoritarian personality Test, Robert
- Title: F-Scale Test Skip to main content Tests Types Articles News Members Take Test Tests Types Articles News Members Search Search Submit F-Scale Test Your results: This makes you 29.4% less authoritarian than the average person. Share on Facebook Share ...
Re: Book Group Tuesday 7:30pm - link (fwd), robert
- Hopefully, you'll find out whether the schedule has permanently changed or whether this is temporary.
Re: Submission from Contact Us: unable to renew my membership with my newly-added credit card, Robert
- Did you get any reply yet?
Re: Your myCigna account authentication code is ready (fwd), robert
- Wow. Hope we hit the deductible soon.
passwords you'll need to change, robert
- Do you still have a Transamerica account? If so, you'll probably want to change that password since it's quite weak. You should also change your travelocity.com password since it too is quite weak.
Re: Amsterdam's squatter wars, robert
- We home owners are clearly leeches on the even-more-wealthy, and we cling on to what we can, pushing down those "below" us. So, as I always say, the real problem are the rich. Everybody will be better without them.
Re: Trump Tariffs and Stagflation: Why TACO is the Least Bad Option (fwd), robert
- Like I've said before, I support tariffs simply because they help the environment by destroying the American economy. Unfortunately, all that this may do is kick out the current scoundrels and things will revert to the status quo ante, which will continue ...
Re: August 26, 2025 (fwd), robert
- Yeah. And, if Trump ever dies, that will be the end of the Republican Party. Think they can transfer his consciousness into an AI bot?
Re: CA gerrymander on electoral-vote.com, robert
- Let's hope these mid-decade redistricting laws get overturned by the courts.
Re: Netflix algorithm films, robert
- I was sorta thinking about this while I started the new "Zero Day" series. It's basically like a watered-down "Leave the World Behind", but with lots of star power, yet also a lot less drama or surprising turns. I was wondering if this is what the algorit...
- Re: Netflix algorithm films, robert
- Is this humanity's future: watching, listening, and reading the same things over and over again, and spending the rest of the time filling out paperwork?
Re: that NY restaurant again, robert
- I'd rather have a $10 vegan burrito.
📅 FW: Just scheduled: Dinner Out Happy Flower Sunnyvale, Robert
- Any interest? We may have to reschedule our meeting. Silicon Valley Healthy Bytes invites you to a new event 200C; #x200C; 0C; 200C; 200C; ; #x200C; ; 0C; #...
Re: Customer Feedback: Subscriber Services Feedback (fwd), robert
- Yeah, but unsurprising. We need to bother them each time so that, maybe, after time, they'll learn.
Re: Series Kick-off Aug 29th: Reel Justice (fwd), robert
- Did we already see "I Am Not Your Negro"?
Noelle's 10/11 Denver trip (C8NVHN): itinerary., Southwest Airlines
- Title: Southwest Airlines Stay "in the know". View in web browser | View our mobile site Manage Flight | Flight Status | My Account Hello Friends, Below you'll find this trip's itinerary. Please note, you received this email at the request of the individua...
You're going to New Orleans on 10/11 (C8NVHN)!, Southwest Airlines
- Title: Southwest Airlines Here's your itinerary & receipt. See ya soon! View in web browser | View our mobile site Manage Flight | Flight Status | My Account Travel notice Do you have a REAL ID? Starting May 7, all Passengers 18+ need a state-issued REAL I...
Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), Noelle
- Yes, that sounds good to me. Have you been to this festival before? thanks!
- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), O Mandrussow
- Yes, I've been to Festivals Acadiens a few times. It is totally non-pretentious, down home. Lots of dancing (two-step). Lafayette is the Cajun center of Louisiana. I'll rent a car and we can drive there on Sunday. Let me know if your plans change.
- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- Weirdly, I never got a copy of the itinerary. Please forward the same copy that you sent to Olga to me so that I can write it down. Thanks.
- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- Nevermind. I found it. You sent it to me on Sep 1.
- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- Do you think we should try to arrive at the airport even earlier than the one hour before the flight?
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- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- OK. For now, I'll assume that we should arrive two hours earlier than than flight and we can tone it down later as we gather info.
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- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- Is it possible to order ahead for pick-up? I have lots of doubts that there will be time to eat dinner, and we may have to wait until New Orleans itself.
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- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- Perfecto! Do you have a map of the Denver airport?
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- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- It says that La Casita is in the same gateway concourse as Southwest. So, yeah, it's possible, depending on timing.
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- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- 👍
- Re: Noelle's 10/11 New Orleans trip (C8NVHN): itinerary. (fwd), robert
- Do you know when the next plane will be if we get stuck in Denver?
FW: Robert and Noelle, RSVP to Melisse's Birthday Dinner ✉️, Robert
- Haven't looked at the dates yet. I'll look tonight. Title: Evite View your invitation now 0; #x200C; xA0; xA0; ; 00C; 0C; #xA0; 00C; 00C; A0;0;#xA0;200...
podcasts, Robert
- In an error to fix the network certificate errors I kept getting in AntennaPod on the old Android phone, I cleared all the data and reloaded the pod subscriptions. Unfortunately, this had the side effect of deleting the entire queue. So, I'll probably have...
- Re: podcasts, Robert
- Oh, I should also mention that I did not fix the certificate problem. So, there are a number of podcasts which we can no longer listen to. Seems to be a side-effect of having such an old device, sadly.
Re: Confirmation: Your volunteer shift with Second Harvest! (fwd), robert
- Hope you had fun!
Re: Your order has been submitted (fwd), robert
- We need to leave at 8:30am for this, right?
Re: So, former Council Member, Omar Torres, only received 18 years... (fwd), robert
- Don't know. Still feel sorry for the guy.
Re: 20 years after Katrina, FEMA is being underfunded to pay ICE. (fwd), robert
- Our next natural disaster should be interesting.
Re: Donald Trumps Kink is Firing Black Women (fwd), robert
- I continue to wonder if someone's made a list of all the bad things this administration has done that will need to be reversed by the next decent, non-corrupt administration.
Re: Taliban appeal for aid as Afghanistan earthquake death toll rises to 900 | First Thing (fwd), robert
- Interesting analysis. I guess the Democrats, such as Biden and Harris, should've thought of this before we went down the rat hole.
Re: Progress: Humanity's Worst Idea (fwd), robert
- Yeah. I still need to go through old podcasts to add to our queue. It will probably take several weeks to complete this project. v
Re: Shen Yun Comes to San Francisco! (fwd), robert
- The holiday season has arrived.
Re: First Thing: US House committee releases more than 33,000 pages of Jeffrey Epstein files (fwd), robert
- Another good reason to not install Signal on a phone. Makes me wonder why anyone uses phones for communication at all. (Actually, it's not clear whether never opening Signal on a phone and using it exclusively on a computer would workaround this Graphite ...
Re: From JTown Pizza (fwd), robert
- Well, one less place to watch basketball games. Where is the food gunna come from at Jack's?
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- Re: From JTown Pizza (fwd), robert
- Not much there. BYOD -- bring your own dinner, I suppose.
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- Re: From JTown Pizza (fwd), robert
- Well, ultimately, they are competing with private equity groups. I predict that the private equity groups will win.
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Re: From JTown Pizza (fwd), robert
- Restaurant blight.
Re: From JTown Pizza (fwd), robert
- It's interesting how everybody is blaming the problem on efforts to maintain historic buildings. Then again, everybody knows that the permitting process in Santa Clara County is just plain broken.
Re: September 3, 2025 (fwd), robert
- I think the Trump administration is in overdrive mode in order to keep people distracted from the Epstein Files. Again, Trump is probably overreacting to what might be in there, but he's nevertheless afraid (irrationally, as I said).
Re: Salt Typhoon & cybersecurity, robert
- Yeah. I strongly believe that everything the Trump administration is doing is to provoke a crisis which would boost his favorability and let him assume complete control, in the style of G.W. Bush. But, this sort of cyber attack may be the one crisis to wh...
Re: See Whats Playing at 3Below! (fwd), robert
- Yeah, sounds good. When and where?
Re: SMS From 29943 To 1my-Oakland-voicemail-number (fwd), robert
- Because of a mistake in my script. I think I fixed it.
Re: Fwd: Here’s the address of where you’re staying in New Orleans, Robert
- Did she forward this to us on the expectation that we'll be taking a taxicab from the airport directly to there?
Re: national housing emergency declaration?, robert
- Alert readers will notice that housing prices are sticky and should have fallen in light of higher mortgage rates and insurance costs, as well as the fact that things like HOA fees, property taxes, and those insurance costs are not something the Feds can ...
Re: The GOP Megadonor Funding Redistricting Misinformation (fwd), robert
- OMG. I thought the first Trump administration was nerve-racking. This one is even worse. When will it stop? Will somebody please just die so we can pause the insanity?
Re: AI bubble and post-capitalism, robert
- Oh, this is the Capitalism is Dying one. We still haven't seen it.
Re: A & M visit, robert
- Done.
horns in India story, Robert
- It made me wonder about the automobile fatalities in the United States. wikipedia.org Surprisingly, you were almost twice as likely to die in a car accident in the late 1980s / early 1990s than now. I guess we made it out alive.
Re: Your Ca Yoga Center receipt [#1160-3347] (fwd), robert
- Will you be back in time for the Holly Helpers meeting?
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