Re: Greens on the props

[robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>]

https://progressivevotersguide.com/ca and League of Women Voters
are against Proposition 35, but CA Greens are for it.

I think I'm convinced of the argument in
https://progressivevotersguide.com/ca and will vote against it.

 > From: Noelle <noelle>
 > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:10:47 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 > electoral-vote.com on initiative process
 > 
 > P.L. in Los Angeles, CA, asks: Can you give context and even general 
 > voting behavior advice for voting on ballot propositions (at least, 
 > in my case, for Cans)? Based on some research, I understand 
 > these measures failed to pass in legislature and are now up for 
 > voter referendum. Notable is that once a proposition is passed, it 
 > cannot be adjusted thereafter without yet another proposition, 
 > leading to unintended consequences that the legislature cannot 
 > repair on its own. As a result, I have read the recommendation that 
 > even if you agree with the sentiment behind a proposition, it's 
 > often unwise to vote "Yes" on it.
 > 
 > Can you confirm, deny, or expand on the conclusions from my 
 > research, including that final recommendation?
 > 
 > (V) & (Z) answer: It's complicated, especially in Ca, which 
 > will be the focus of our answer.
 > 
 > To start with, your statement "these measures failed to pass in 
 > legislature and are now up for voter referendum" is not accurate. 
 > It's true some of the time, but most ballot initiatives are actually 
 > in two other categories: (1) by law, they must be put to the 
 > citizenry for a vote, or (2) they were placed on the ballot by the 
 > citizen initiative process.
 > 
 > As to the impact, and the extent to which the initiative will be set 
 > in stone, you have to read the voter guide. If it says "This 
 > initiative will amend the state constitution..." then yes, it's 
 > something that cannot easily be changed. So, if you have doubts, you 
 > certainly should give strong consideration to voting no, especially 
 > since Ca's ballot propositions are somewhat notorious for 
 > being sloppily written or not fully thought out. That said, not all 
 > of them are changes to the constitution; others just allocate money 
 > or reform the criminal code or otherwise do things that the 
 > legislature has the power to affect.
 > 
 > Residents of other states should consider doing the legwork to make 
 > sure they understand how their state's referendum/initiative 
 > processes work. This article, from Ballotpedia, is a good starting 
 > point.
 > 
 > On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, Noelle wrote:
 >  > Santa Clara County Greens
 >  > 
 >  > https://www.sccgreens.org/elections/2024-november-voting-guide
 >  > 
 >  > CA state Greens
 >  > https://www.cagreens.org/green-party-ca-state-voter-guide-nov-2024