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Re: EV charging stations
- To: Noelle <noelle>
- Subject: Re: EV charging stations
- From: robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>
- Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 11:02:41 -0800
- Keywords: our-Oakland-cell-phone-number
OK.
> From: Noelle <noelle>
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 10:31:55 -0800 (PST)
>
> more, today:
>
> J.L. in Los Angeles, CA, asks: Although I live in Los Angeles, I
> don't usually think about the chargers (maybe next year). However,
> your piece about the state of charging stations in the state (and
> other states) being in a state of continual disrepair led me to
> ponder a few questions. The first is: who is charged with fixing
> these chargers? Is it the government, or might there be a cottage
> industry aborning of entrepreneurial electricians who could make a
> fast buck doing fast fixes? Could the government subsidize these new
> businesses with tax incentives and the such to increase the speed of
> their growth? And how about subsidizing research in faster charging
> technology?
>
> Also, I wonder whether and how the government could incentivize
> businesses with parking lots to install more charging stations. I
> already see some of these chargers in parking lots at crunchy
> granola places like Whole Foods... not many of them, but it's a
> start. Who pays to install and maintain a charging station at a
> supermarket or restaurant that can benefit from having customers
> come in while they wait for their EV to recharge? Who pays for the
> electricity used? And are these the kinds of things (installation,
> maintenance, and electricity cost for chargers on private property)
> that the government could also subsidize with some of that sweet,
> sweet Inflation Reduction Act money? Power to the People!
>
> (V) & (Z) answer: In general, the company that owns the chargers is
> responsible for fixing them. They presumably could farm that work
> out, and maybe some of them do, but generally they seem to have
> concluded that it's cheaper to keep it in-house. It probably does
> not make it easier, from a flexibility standpoint, that roughly half
> the time the problem is with the electricity delivery (which is a
> pretty basic issue that a trained electrician should be able to deal
> with) and the other half of the time the problem is with the payment
> system (which tends to be proprietary). If the government is going
> to get involved (and it is already doing so, in some places), it
> will take the form of regulation, wherein the companies that operate
> the chargers suffer some sort of penalty if their chargers have too
> much downtime.
>
> As to faster charging, that is entirely the province of the car
> companies, as faster charging is a major selling point. Unless it's
> in the form of NSF grants to people already working on this problem,
> it is improbable the government will get involved.
>
> And the free chargers you see at some markets and some shopping
> malls are subsidized in one of two ways. The slight majority are
> paid for by advertising; in exchange for being able to place a
> billboard with ads that can be seen by anyone walking through the
> parking lot, a company (usually one that specializes in public
> advertising, like Gannett) pays for the charger and the electricity.
> The slight minority are paid for by the
> business/university/government office where the charger is located,
> as an incentive for customers in the former case, and usually to
> meet government-mandated climate goals in the latter two cases. It
> is worth noting that these are almost invariably slow chargers, such
> that a driver gets a little "bonus" electricity while shopping or
> dining or conducting other business, but does not get a full charge
> unless they are able to remain parked for 4-8 hours.
>
> The government already operates chargers in some places, but
> generally it's on government property, quite commonly close to power
> stations (for obvious reasons). This was more common at the start of
> the EV age; these days the government tends to prefer to indirectly
> subsidize chargers by handing out money to private companies that
> build and run charger networks. Those private companies almost
> always build on private land, in cooperation with the owner. For
> example, IKEA locations tend to have a bank of for-profit chargers.