Re: a Marxist view of PoTH (fwd)

[Noelle <noelle>]

 > From: Olga Mandrussow <http://www.gmail.com/~mandrussow>
 > Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:28:21 -0700
 > 
 > Thanks for article.  Makes some interesting points, but not many original.
 > Plenty of people have been taking about limits to growth for a long, long
 > time.
 > 
 > Congrats on winning the bingo grand prize!  I've seen some great stuff at
 > the Marsh.  I miss theater, and  realize that it will probably be months
 > before performances start.  I was supposed to go on a September theater
 > tour with 's Aurora Theater to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival.
 > But yesterday's paper had an article that said OSF has cancelled all shows
 > this year.
 > 
 > On the other hand, I've enjoyed being home and eating homecooked meals.
 > Reading more has been wonderful.  I'm volunteering (handwriting postcards
 > and letters) with Sister District, Vote Forward, and the Sierra Club to
 > activate voters for the November election.  That feels good.
 > 
 > Kisses to you and Robert!
 > 
 > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 8:08 AM Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg> wrote:
 > 
 > > I'm getting a little tired of the debate over this, however, me &
 > > Robert did find this Marxist critique to the point. The huge point,
 > > I think is that the green energy backers are not addressing the real
 > > problem of finite resources. Humans seem to hate limits.
 > > In other news, we attended virtual bingo last night hosted by The
 > > Marsh. We won the final round and won the grand prize!!! We get a
 > > year of 2 free tickets to all performances(when they reopen). I was
 > > thinking last night perhaps the Berryessa BART station will open
 > > before The Marsh reopens, and we could take BART to either
 > > Marsh location. And if you want to join us at a future
 > > performance(or if one of us doesn't want to attend, we have a free
 > > ticket).
 > > We also attended a virtual wine tasting with a Santa Barbara
 > > winemaker(ordered the wines ahead of time and they were mailed to
 > > us).
 > > NG
 > >
 > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 > > From: robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>
 > > To: noelle
 > >
 > >  > From: Noelle <noelle>
 > >  > Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 09:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
 > >  >
 > >  > this guy gets it right
 > >  >
 > >  > https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/08/beyond-the-uproar-over-planet-of-humans/
 > >
 > > Yeah.
 > >
 > > It is pretty weird that the bet between Julian Simon and Paul Ehrlich went
 > > sour since it's obvious that Paul Ehrlich was right in the end.  The real
 > > issue is not whether the price of a commodity goes up or down, but whether
 > > there is a sudden "crisis" in the price of the commodity.  This is
 > > something that most models don't account for.
 > >
 > > The very fact that we now need 12 Earths to sustain the current human
 > > population means that we are all living on borrowed time and the shit will
 > > hit the fan at some point.  This coronavirus thing has showed just a small
 > > glimpse into that shit.
 > >
 > > Not sure how we can tease apart the ideology that bolsters the capitalist
 > > system.  It would probably first require tamping down the dominance
 > > paradigm.  Even something as affective as this coronavirus is not going to
 > > change this; in fact, it may just make authoritarian systems and the
 > > global capitalist structure stronger.