Re: Planet of the Humans (fwd)

[robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>]

 > From: Noelle <noelle>
 > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 >  > From: Olga Mandrussow <http://www.gmail.com/~mandrussow>
 >  > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:23:23 -0700
 >  > 
 >  > I suspect the population issue has been suppressed by big
 >  > business.  Our US capitalist-'democratic' economy needs constant
 >  > growth. The only way is if there are more and more people, all
 >  > the time.  Paul Hawken, John Holdren, etc., have addressed this.
 >  > Another factor (I'll say it again): life without a fossil fuel
 >  > economy will be SUPER grim, at least for a period.

It is rather sobering that this pandemic has only reduced greenhouse gases
releases by 6%.  Don't know how we'll ever get to 50%.

 >  > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:57 PM Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg> wrote:
 >  > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020, Olga Mandrussow wrote:
 > > >   > I might be dumb, but why could this film be considered
 >  > >  > ecofascist? Because it attacks "green technology" and Big
 >  > >  > Green organizations?  One downside to the film is that it
 >  > >  > doesn't offer an alternative vision, which would have been
 >  > >  > relatively easy, if a bit dark: less people on the planet,
 >  > >  > no carbon release.  If you think those through, they are
 >  > >  > devastating.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > yeah, the various critiques I've been reading have bothered
 >  > >  > me, the usual anti-overpopulation discussion, yes, there
 >  > >  > have been abuses of population programs in India,
 >  > >  > sterilization of people deemed unfit in the US and Nazi
 >  > >  > Germany but why can't we rationally discuss the possibility
 >  > >  > that our numbers are too high? How can we control consumer
 >  > >  > resource consumption? We have to change minds and that's
 >  > >  > hard when we have our consumer goods consumption-based
 >  > >  > economy dominant. Maybe with people having to stay home and
 >  > >  > consume less people are realizing that they spent too much
 >  > >  > time buying stuff to fill their days. But we can't expect
 >  > >  > everyone to come to that epiphany.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > Me & Robert are waiting for Greta Thunberg's take on this
 >  > >  > film. She is the most clear-headed of all. I would think
 >  > >  > she could handle the bleak vision, she must have had a
 >  > >  > horrible realization of how bad things are back when she
 >  > >  > was younger and refused to eat. But she was able to get out
 >  > >  > of her depression and to take action.
 >  > >  >
 >  > >  > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:35 AM Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg> wrote:
 >  > >  > > There are a lot of articles out there attacking the
 >  > >  > > film. Some even calling it ecofascist(apparently the El
 >  > >  > > Paso shooter and the Norwegian mass shooter are followers
 >  > >  > > of this belief, kind of going off on a tangent here).
 >  > >  > > 
 >  > >  > > Many find the film demotivating, but then again, some
 >  > >  > > people have to be bummed out first in order to take
 >  > >  > > action.
 >  > >  > >
 >  > >  > > On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, Lizzie wrote:
 >  > >  > >  > Hello Olga!
 >  > >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > >  > Great to hear from you. Roger and I plan to watch
 >  > >  > >  > Planet of the Humans this week. We are in a
 >  > >  > >  > shelter-in-place routine which consists of
 >  > >  > >  > housekeeping on Mondays, and all other days cooking,
 >  > >  > >  > eating, drinking, and exercising. Roger is writing a
 >  > >  > >  > bit and I’m drawing a
 >  > >  > >  > lot. Roger’s work is on hold
 >  > >  > >  > (he’s an Assistant Director in television),
 >  > >  > >  > likely into September.
 >  > >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > >  > We will see how this all shakes out I suppose, but I
 >  > >  > >  > fear that once things ease up it will be back to
 >  > >  > >  > normal in terms of how we treat this planet.
 >  > >  > >  >
 >  > >  > >  > Give our love to Brad.
 >  > >  > >  >
 >  > >  > >  > Love,
 >  > >  > >  > Lizzie
 >  > >  > >  >
 >  > >  > >  > And Noelle, thanks for connecting us!
 >  > >  > >  >
 >  > >  > >  > L.
 >  > >  > >  >
 >  > >  > >  > > On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Olga Mandrussow <http://www.gmail.com/~mandrussow> wrote:
 >  > >  > >  > > Hey Noelle and Lizzie,
 >  > >  > >  > > 
 >  > >  > >  > > Thanks for heads up about Planet of the Humans.
 >  > >  > >  > > Brad and I are watching it tonight.  I'm looking
 >  > >  > >  > > forward to hearing criticisms of "green energy"!
 >  > >  > >  > > I've thought about how the world will look if we
 >  > >  > >  > > decide to confront the climate crisis: stark, with
 >  > >  > >  > > much less available.  We won't be able to sustain 8
 >  > >  > >  > > billion people on the planet, that's for sure.  Hard
 >  > >  > >  > > thoughts to face, with lots of ugly consequences.
 >  > >  > >  > > 
 >  > >  > >  > > Hope you are both well.  Brad and I are fine.  We're
 >  > >  > >  > > enjoying sheltering-in-place, much as Noelle appears
 >  > >  > >  > > to be.
 >  > >  > >  > >
 >  > >  > >  > > xoxx,
 >  > >  > >  > > Olga