I agree with you re: the Google VTA trip planner. That's why I only use it when I do not cross over into other counties or when Caltrain is a possibility, but the planner doesn't include that. For those sorts of trips, I use 511's trip planner (http://transit.511.org/tripplanner) and, although not ideal either, works fairly well. -------------------------------------- Protect yourself from spam, use http://sneakemail.com