Sara -- yes -- she looked like a gonner (as well as Deb and Jen, but I do not know of course) but Alex!!!! (McKennan I assume -- there is no other Alex-es) he was sure working long hours and looked pretty confident. I thought that Jonathan is another gonner but maybe not... Anyway, good programmer and smart guy as he is, he doesn't know how to delegate responsibilities. As the result, the R&D cannot grow if he stays in control. And the problem is that he likes the control. So if you hire 13 new people, they will not be with R&D unless they also hire a strong manager without offending him. That's why I'm not sure that l2g will succeed. I'll talk to http://trueadvantage.com on Tuesday, if you're curious what they do, I can give you an overview. Take care and stay in touch Leonid